5’10”. Athletic build. Ordered for running in size XL assuming they might run small. They don’t. True to size. I’d order normal next time (for me that’s Lg, but read to the end).Letting them sit at my hips they’re at mid-knee, basketball length for my height/body comp. They’re above knee as pictured if I pull them to my navel. If you wear pants like Steve Erkel and have a similar physique to me, they’re perfect length. Shade. Eh, I might just have long knees… “what’re thOOOse”Nice quality that lasts through washes without fading, shrinking, or becoming deformed. I let these air dry after washes, fyi.They’re very lightweight and airy. Like super flexible paper, with a mesh short sway. Lol, what? Anyway, loose but not baggy. Again, ordered XL in case they ran small which they do not. Order normally.I’d hoped they’d be a tad shorter, but I didn’t perform any proactive measurements, so that’s on me. You might want to do that. Would purchase again, but probably a different model with a shorter length in size L for desired running freedom. At this point, they’re my chill outdoor shorts, so I appreciate the roomy fit and length for that purpose. Top Quality. No complaints. You read until the end of this blab fest, I admire you. Reward yourself with purchasing the paper shorts.